How to create a life-changing community-powered course

Overview

    What you will learn

    In this session, you’ll lay the foundation for your community-powered course with Circle Expert Jordan Godbey, drawing inspiration and insights from real-life examples.

    • The key differences between old-school courses and community-powered courses
    • Why community-powered courses are the future, with examples of 6- and 7-figure course business that have taken a community-first approach
    • Tactical ideas that you can use to transform your current course or course idea into a community-powered course
    • A playbook of ways to create more connection in your course, so that your students get the best possible experience and you can get the word-of-mouth flywheel started

    Summary

    In this masterclass, Jordan Godbey gives a deep dive into the strategy behind “community-powered courses.”

    Many of the most successful online courses out there have become “community-powered.” Whether it’s adding office hours, feedback sessions, live opportunities for students to connect with each other—community-powered courses deliver bigger transformation, more consistently.

    The session revolves around defining a clear and valuable transformation for a course. As Jordan explains, “Transformation is not just about imparting knowledge. It’s about facilitating a journey that brings about change.” Examples of transformations mentioned ranged from becoming a confident student of scripture to building a bulletproof brand.

    A key takeaway from the session was the importance of community in course creation. As per Jordan, “Community is not just an add-on. It’s the lifeblood of a successful course.” He debunks myths about the workload involved in creating community-powered courses and emphasizes people’s willingness to pay more for community-focused programs rather than content-only ones.

    Jordan also discusses the “maturity curve” of online courses, highlighting the decline of traditional formats and the growth potential of community-powered courses. He stresses the role specificity plays in defining transformations and guides attendees on selecting the right ingredients for their courses.

    Attendees praised the session, with one remarking, “Jordan’s insights were eye-opening. I now see the value of community and transformation in a whole new light.” Another participant expressed gratitude, saying, “This workshop has given me the tools to create a profitable business while maintaining a flexible schedule.”

    If you’re looking for a comprehensive guide to building successful community-powered courses, then this session is for you. From defining clear transformations to debunking myths about workload, Jordan provided practical advice for course creators, based on his work consulting and training over 250 course creators in the last 10 years.

    About Jordan Godbey

    Jordan is the founder of GrowthCommunity.co, a consulting agency that helps coaches, course creators and experts create engaging learning communities on Circle. Having built an online course from $0 to over $1M/yr in revenue and coached dozens of creators to do the same, Jordan is an expert in how to create new revenue streams using the power of community. Jordan also created the course Build a Community-Powered Course on Circle, which provides templates and best practices for setting up your community fast.

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    Transcript

    Mathilde Leo: Alright. Cool. So let's get started. Time to welcome Jordan, our dear Circle expert. 

    A few words about Jordan, but I'm going to introduce himself much better than I could. He's a Founder. He's a coach. He's a serial course creator because not only does he build very successful courses himself, but he has helped over 250 creators launch their own. 

    Jordan, we're really lucky to have him as a Circle expert. He's been here since the early days of Circle. So in addition to being the expert when it comes to community-powered courses, he is also really knowledgeable about Circle the product and he knows basically our product inside out. So Jordan, welcome to this workshop. Thank you so much for accepting our invitation to present the first workshop of the boot camp. So good to see you here.

    Jordan Godbey: Yeah, thank you. So glad to be here and thank you for that intro. I appreciate that. 

    Mathilde Leo: Alright. Are you ready to kick off? 

    Jordan Godbey: Let's do it. I am super fired up. Yeah, I am really looking forward to this, and thank you all for joining and taking time out of your day. So I'm really excited to share everything that I've been learning over the last few years and then recently this new community-powered course topic. It's really exciting. So, let me share my screen and we can dive into it.

    Alright. There we go. Can everybody see my slides and hear me? All good. Nice. 

    Okay, awesome. So we are talking today about how to build a life-changing community-powered course. Not just some dusty course that sits on a shelf and nobody really buys it or watches it or uses it or gives you testimonials, but something that's really going to be powerful for you and powerful for your customers. And that's really one of the biggest differences that I've seen in this world, just right off the bat, is that the old school courses have a very low completion rate, a very low success rate, and it's because they're just designed very differently. We're going to talk about all of the different ingredients and components of why the old model is not very successful and why the new model is 10 times more successful. So why are we here? Why are we talking about this and why am I the one speaking to you? I've used courses to really change my life. I studied French actually as a major, so my education has no real influence on what I do professionally, and I've had to learn and acquire all of my skills and experience on my own. And a big way that I did that was through online courses, and I've been doing that for about 15 years or so. So I've really seen how they've changed over time. And thankfully, we have much better courses today, community-powered courses, which do an even better job of replacing traditional education, and I think are going to continue to disrupt that model for many years to come. And I find it really exciting as people with expertise, like all of you who've spent your lives building skills and talents, that you can then share that with other people and get rewarded for that really well financially and be able to build a business and a life that is really meaningful and very powerful for you. So that's what we are talking about today.

    Jordan Godbey: So I want to start with an example here. Last night, I was on the kickoff call of Write of Passage and this is David Perell, the founder of Write of Passage, and he talks about this idea of your personal Monopoly. 

    His personal Monopoly is writing on the internet and creating a system around that, a brand in a moat, to be able to share your ideas and to meet other people that have similar ideas and similar interests, and to be able to really expand your potential of what you're able to create and what you're able to do. And the reality is there's no one in the world exactly like you, there's no one that is from your country, your city, that speaks your language, that has your exact upbringing, your skills, your education, your life experiences, the jobs that you worked at. And when you figure out what that personal Monopoly is for you, it's very powerful because you can monetize it. You can build a brand around it. You're not just competing like a thousand other people using the same keywords or the same tools. You have something special and something unique, and that I think is a really interesting component of building these community-powered courses. You're actually selling access to yourself in many ways. So people want to work with you. They don't just want to learn a skill, how to do programming or how to speak French. They want to learn it from you, and that's a really different tilt on the philosophy of community-powered courses versus the old-school courses.

    So let me start with another example and a story of a client of mine. So this is Sarah, and a few years ago, Sarah was working some jobs for not a lot of money that she really didn't like and really liked writing. And similar to David but in a different way, copywriting. So she wanted to start writing for other people. So she became a freelance copywriter and was able to start earning money on the side and eventually could do this full-time and she didn't have to work those jobs anymore. So she started traveling the world, working for really cool websites and companies, and people started asking her, "How are you doing this? What's... where did you learn this? How are you doing this?" And she started teaching other people how to do this. She just started responding to emails and DMs and just started kind of coaching and teaching like that until eventually she saw that some people were actually taking her advice very seriously, and they were implementing it and taking action and getting results. And she was like, "Wow, this is really cool. I don't think I'm a genius. I just know a few more things than they do, and I'm able to get other people the same kind of results that I was getting for myself." So she kept doing that and then found the problem of one-on-one teaching and coaching is not very scalable. And so she decided, "I'm going to take all of these questions that I keep getting, and I'm going to put it into a course. I'm just gonna record answers. I'm going to build a community so that I could start talking to more than one person at a time." And so she evolved into a course plus a community, and she's been doing this for four years now. So back then, people had to piece together a lot of different tools to make this happen, and that's how she started with Kajabi and a Facebook group. And then she decided, "I'm going to transform this into a community-powered course," so she started doing active coaching. She started bringing in other coaches. She started creating groups within the community and so on and so forth, and she now runs a multi-7-figure business teaching people how to build copywriting careers and businesses for themselves. And it's all on Circle. It's all integrated. It's all there. She now has thousands of customers, and she's living, she's continuing to live her dream and traveling the world, teaching other people how to get that same type of freedom. And she's just a great example of what you can do with really any skill set if you can figure out the right way to package it up to help someone achieve that transformation and then monetize it appropriately. So that's what we're gonna dive into in more detail here today.

    Jordan Godbey: Oh, and the best part, she spends about two hours a week in the community. So you would think with thousands of students, she would be absolutely a slave to her desk and her computer and she's working a hundred hours a week, and it's absolutely not the case. Now, it doesn't mean that you're going to only work two hours a week. One of the things we're talking about is how to design a CPC that meets your lifestyle and your needs and your priorities and your goals you might want to work a lot more than that, but for her, she actually chose to grow a team and grow a business and hire other coaches and that's how she wanted to optimize her life to meet her personal goals. You may not want to do that that might sound more complicated or more difficult for you. And so you spend 10 or 20 hours a week yourself doing the work inside the community coaching responding, so it's really up to you.

    So let's talk about What we're going to cover today. Okay. So first we're going to cover the ingredients of a CPC. What are the things that you need to include in order to transform a course that you already have into a CPC or if you're building one from scratch being able to select some of the right ingredients from the beginning? This is going to be interactive. So sometimes I can get on a roll but I want to stop and there's gonna be some interaction here. I'm gonna ask you guys some questions. So I want you to type into the chat and we're also going to do a little bit of work together. So we're gonna review our CPC Maps. I'm really interested to see what you guys have come up with and if you haven't completed your maps, then we're gonna have a few minutes to work on them right now together.

    The next important thing is that we're going to cover the value, price, and model of your program. One of the things we're going to talk a lot about is the transformation that your program delivers but there are many different ways to deliver that so we're going to talk about what's the right way to position it, price it, and deliver it. And we're gonna do an actual live demo of Sarah's Community a very successful CPC. We'll talk about your next steps for how do you move forward and then we'll have some more Q&A at the end.

    Okay, before we dive into the meat. I just want to just give a quick little background on myself. So I'm a Circle expert I've been around from the early days as Mathilde said. I created a course from zero to a million dollars a year in recurring revenue a couple of years ago before CPCs were really a thing, but we actually had that idea in mind from the very beginning because it was a very niche course in the Radiology MRI market and there's only about a hundred thousand MRI Radiologists in the world. So we knew that Community was going to be a foundational thing, uh, because they all kind of know each other and so the more that we could bring those type of people together and create more and more value, the more successful the course was going to be and I've worked with a lot of people in my career. I ran a marketing agency for 10 years, and I've consulted over 250 online businesses. And I've built some of the top communities and worked with top Community creators in Circle and I moved from Cincinnati, Ohio to Queretaro, Mexico. So that's a picture of me and my wife Sarah and my daughter Izzy and we love it. You guys should come visit.

    Jordan Godbey: Okay. So first question, I would love to hear we've got a hundred and ten people on or so. So I want to know how many of you already have a course. That you've already built pre-Circle or maybe you built it on Circle, but before the recent courses feature, or are you building a course from scratch your first one right now? So go in the chat and let me know already have a course or building a course from scratch. 

    All right, the comments okay. The flood of comments: First one already have a course, Gustavo already, first, Eric building, had a mini course, but didn't sell it, building one right now, scratch. 

    Okay. What do you think Mathilde is about 50/50?

    Mathilde Leo: I would say so from what I could gather over the fast chat.

    Jordan Godbey: Okay, great. That's good. This will apply to both of you. 

    Okay. Next question. How many of you are already doing some form of coaching how many of your coaching in some capacity? So if you're coaching just right yes coaching. 

    Coaching is a big component. Yes. Lots of yeses, couple nos. Okay, lots of coaching going on. 

    Great. That is helpful. Coaches will be able to take advantage of this very easily, and then how many of you have an active Community right now? So maybe you don't have a course or maybe but you have a community. 

    Oops. Yes, okay, small one, Circle community, we have Facebook… 

    Mathilde Leo: I would say 50/50 as well. I would say a bunch of new folks. Maybe you've joined us from the Summit and I see a lot of Circle community builders, people I’ve seen in the community, so it’s a mixed group.

    Jordan Godbey: Yeah, 60,000 also on Facebook, everything from scratch. Okay, great.

    Alright, that's helpful. We're not going to cover marketing today and how you grow and build that. But once you do have an audience, then this is the next step to put them into some type of coaching community or CPC so that you can start to help them achieve their goals.

    Okay. So let's talk about this concept, the maturity curve or the product life cycle. And because this is an interesting thing for where we are in the history of online courses. So courses have been around for quite a while now. I imagine all of you have taken a course or two or ten. And in the early days, let's say 10, 15, I don’t know, maybe 20 years ago, the dawn of online courses, it seems they were really hard to create, right? Like everything was really expensive. We didn't have the tools we have today, hosting and editing, and just all of the stuff. There weren't the platforms. There were people doing it. I remember back to old-school Frank Kern and some of the early internet marketing guys and Jeff Walker, and they were selling super expensive courses, like four or five thousand, six thousand, maybe $10,000 just for videos. So they would slam 40 hours of videos on your desk, and people would pay a lot of money. And that was really in this introduction phase. As we move into the growth phase, a lot of people enter the market because it became a lot easier to create, and mainstream started to catch up of people buying online courses as a normal thing, of putting your credit card in online and doing that.

    Jordan Godbey: As this continued to grow, I think we're now into this maturity phase and potentially in the dip of the decline of old-school courses because so many marketplaces have popped up. You've got Udemy and Skillshare and all of these other places that just pump out tons and tons of courses. I think you can go buy almost any course for like $10 now on Udemy or some of those mass marketplaces. So the value has dropped. There's just so much supply, and people aren't willing to spend thousands of dollars anymore on watching videos, uh, that's just information, and now we have YouTube and unlimited information on the internet. So we're at this really interesting point where the old product is declining, and there's a new opportunity to start this product life cycle over again and start a new phase of introduction and growth in the CPC world because it's not the same thing. It is a totally different product. It has a component of the old product of videos, but you're adding so much more, and the value is so much higher that people are back to spending thousands and thousands of dollars on products like Write of Passage or Building a Second Brain or Write Your Way to Freedom, which I'm going to show you. So this is really good news for course creators. It's no longer a race to the bottom. It's really a new frontier of creating value and being able to grow a business really profitably.

    Okay, so the big difference if we really zoom out, the 30,000-foot view is that old-school courses focus on information. That's where they put all of their value. It's 52 lessons, 12 modules, 40 hours of content, 32-page ebook, like all of that kind of stuff because that's all that they had, so you can't knock them too hard. And that used to feel and sound really impressive, right? The new model is all about transformation. So we don't want to talk about that stuff I just mentioned because it's really not what people care about. Now it's all about the transformation. So this is where we have an interactive moment. I want to hear what is your transformation. So this is one of the boxes on your CPC map. Hopefully, you've already filled it out. This is the most important thing that you've got to nail. If you miss this then none of the other stuff matters, you have to have a transformation that is really valuable and that people want, and that people are willing to spend money on, so please put into the chat copy and paste your transformation. If you don't have it done, let's take a minute here and do it together and I'm gonna read some of these.

    Okay, becoming a more confident student of scripture. Growing towards life and spiritual mastery through being guided by your inner voice. Okay, those to me don't sound like a super clear outcome. I'm not sure exactly what that would look like. You want to try to give a really clear tangible picture of what they'll have in their life, what they'll be able to do, how they'll feel. From crappy life to satisfying and meaningful life. Yeah, still feels, uh, fuzzy to me. I had problems with this because I have many options. Yeah, Sarah. So yeah, it's hard to get rid of all the options and just pick one thing but you got to pick one thing and that's going to make it so much easier to sell, to deliver, to market.

    Build a bulletproof brand, said Brooke. I want to help you guys make these really really sharp and really really powerful. So I'm just giving you really raw and honest feedback on them. I don't know what I would have if I had a bulletproof brand. Does that mean I would double my sales or lower my acquisition cost or not have to run ads? What does that mean exactly?

    Jordan Godbey: How do you describe a transformation for someone new to a skill like sewing? I know the transformation for someone with basic knowledge. Yeah, so a transformation with a skill like sewing is, um, sew your own shirts in 30 days. Something like that, right? Like I know exactly what I'll get, I'll be able to make my own clothes, make your own kids' clothes, create a quilt in 10 hours or less. That's a transformation.

    Transform from a brain injury patient who is very limited in life to having their symptoms resolved and living a happy and fulfilled life. Mm-hmm. Okay, so it sounds like something around being able to get their old life back, being able to get rid of some of these old symptoms. Maybe if there's something specific you could call on. I'm not sure exactly what that is if it's like being able to drive again or walk again or work again, or I don't know, something around that. It's all about specificity, the more specific the better.

    Become a confident C-suite leader. Yes, so there's a lot of stuff around confidence here. 

    Mathilde Leo: Which is an interesting point, Jordan, right, because transformations can be both practical but also more like emotional, I guess and I don't remember who said this but like the best transformations have both, like a very concrete outcome, you know, land a new job in Tech, but also feel more confident in my interviews type thing, right?

    Jordan Godbey: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So for the confidence ones, I would try to push you to get even more specific of what does that mean to be confident. Does it mean giving a presentation, you know, speaking publicly without any anxiety, or getting a promotion, or what does that look like?

    Okay, so still working on this but something like stop feeling overwhelmed and launch your website. Do I need to add a time to this? Adding a time to it I think helps a lot. It really sets expectations. I saw someone on Twitter the other day that was asking for naming advice on his product. One was "how to build a prototype using Ruby on Rails" and the other name was "24-hour MVP." And I was like, yeah, it's obvious, 24-hour MVP (minimum viable product) is a way better name than building a prototype on Rails. One is so clear and specific of exactly what you're going to get and how long it's going to take, right? Some of these things, I don't know if they're going to take me a week or if they're going to take me a year to get confident, so, for example.

    Maintain healthy digital habits. Okay, Harriet. I don't think that's really a transformation, especially using the word "maintain." That's just continuing, I think, to have healthy digital habits. I would say something more like how to stop being addicted to your phone and spend more time with your family members or how to cut your screen time down to an hour or less per day. Those are just some raw thoughts off the top that I hope can help you make that a little bit more clear.

    Okay, cool. Yep. So let's get moving on to the next thing. So for me, mine is a bit meta, and I'll share mine with you guys. So I'm working on a course and a program to help people build community-powered courses, so that's what my transformation is. Mine is that you will have a highly engaged community-powered course that creates higher rate of Student Success and beats out competitors who are still selling old-school courses, so it should be pretty clear. If you have a course, you'll be able to transform it into a CPC, or if you don't have a course, you'll learn how to build a highly engaging CPC that creates great student outcomes.

    Jordan Godbey: So again, the value of the old school courses is all on the information, but the problem is nobody wants information. We are flooded with information. We have too much information, so if you're selling a course on how to learn French, that's not really what the person wants. That might be what they say they want or what they're looking for, but they're trying to experience something in life with learning French, so that might be going on a vacation on their own in the south of France and being able to navigate everything flawlessly, speaking to locals, asking for directions, or being able to order in a restaurant and make sure they're getting the perfect meal, or being able to go and hang out with locals and go out with their French friends and have them not have to switch back to English, so these are the types of things you can use in your language, in your product names, in the website and the delivery, not just "I will teach you how to speak French" and going on and on about grammar and that kind of thing. 

    The CPCs, again, they're focusing on the implementation. The information is great, but you have to apply it, and when you try to apply it, that's when all the problems come out. That's when all the questions come out, so that's where all of the value is if you actually help them implement. So the transformation might look like successfully landing a promotion or a date, and this is a successful CPC called Jonty that runs on Circle. Or another example of the transformation might be forming your new offer and closing your first customer, and this is Write Your Way to Freedom, so this is people who are becoming copywriters and getting customers, and growing their business. Or recording your first video that tells your story well and makes you feel confident that you look good and sound like a professional, which is Dan Bennett's video for entrepreneurs.

    Right, so I hope that these are giving you the idea of the shift that you want to make. And when you start to think about these, this is not you're gonna learn all about video production or you're gonna learn about social skills or whatever. It's about the outcome and the transformation, so how much is that worth for you? Because that's what you want to sell. For some people, they might say that could be worth $100, and other people could say that's worth $10,000 because these can truly be life-changing outcomes. Landing a promotion, well, what job, what industry, what salary? Going from $100,000 to $250,000 job? Yeah, I think a lot of people would pay $10,000 to get that outcome.

    Okay, if you want to make your value of your transformation and your offer even more valuable, I want to share this bonus tip with you. This is from Alex Hormozy. He wrote a book I recommend called "100 Million Dollar Offers." If you haven't seen it, go check it out. This is his value equation. So on top, you have the dream outcome. This is the transformation you're selling you're going to multiply this by the perceived likelihood of success. How likely are they to actually get the outcome? In the old-school courses model, the number was very low, right? You're gonna watch all these videos, and hopefully, you're gonna implement it perfectly, and hopefully, you're not gonna have any questions or problems, and hopefully, you're going to change your life and be really successful. Very low chance of success, uh, in the CPC model that number is way higher because you are coaching them, you are responding to their questions, you have office hours, etc., etc., etc. There's more people that are going through the same journey, and they're getting success, so they are able to help each other, encourage each other. It's a much better model.

    Jordan Godbey: On the bottom, these are the detractors, so you have how long is it going to take? So when you guys were asking should I put a time delay or a time on my, on my offer? I think it helps to set that expectation. Is it going to take me two years or two months? And then how much effort and work is it going to take for me to get that? So if you can reduce the time delay to as short as possible that will make your offer much more valuable, and if you can reduce the amount of effort and work that somebody has to do. They obviously have to do the work, right? You can't do the work for them, but you don't have to force them to watch 40 hours of videos. You can provide templates. You can provide playbooks. You can help give them shortcuts and in the end of the day, that's what people are buying. They want to buy a shortcut to the success. You've already done it, you know the path, you've probably spent a lot of time making mistakes, so you can get rid of all that wasted time and say, hey it took me two years, but I actually know how to get you there in two months, and I've done it nine out of 10 times for people that show up, so it's a very high likelihood that if you follow my system you're going to get this result, and if you don't get it in two months, I'll keep working with you for free until you do. That's almost a guaranteed result at that point, so you're able to put the price and the value so much higher, so I recommend checking out that book, um, Alex Hormozy.

    All right, is this making sense so far? Are we going too fast? Is this, uh, there might be some repeat here for people that were on the Summit, but I think it's good for people that maybe, um, missed part of it.

    Okay, the book again is Hundred Million Dollar Offers, Alex Hormozy. Yes.

    Mathilde Leo: …saying so good, so helpful, thank you…so helpful, true value add, so I think you're doing well, Jordan, here. 

    Jordan Godbey: Nice. Okay, let's recap. I think we’re about halfway through here. So old way - focused on information, hard to charge, a lot of money, boring and static, no accountability. You're just in solitary confinement watching a mountain of videos all by yourself. No one cares if you do it or not. High dropout rate, no support, copyable, and easy to pirate, which happens all the time. Every popular online course is available for free on Pirate Bay, and the internet, and it's just videos only, right? That model is dying and it still exists. There are still some use cases for it. I'm actually gonna talk about it an ironic fact at the end, uh, but the new model is so much better, so we want to focus on transformation. It's easier to charge high dollar because it's a different product. It's not Apples to Apples. It's an alive and dynamic community program event. it's engaging and you're on a shared journey with other people, so you're not alone. You feel energy, you feel accountability, there is a much higher success rate. You have support from the instructor, from the coaches, from the community itself, the other members, and it's impossible to copy, right, because it's you. You're showing up, you're adding value, you're responding, you're teaching, you’re coaching, and so it's a mix of a lot of things. It's the live events, the community, the trainings, the Q&A's, bringing in outside experts. It's impossible to copy and that's back to your personal Monopoly, so really tapping into what makes you special and unique and then finding your tribe of people that want that. 

    Jordan Godbey: Okay. Now we're gonna dive into the ingredients. So old school courses pretty basic, videos and handouts, that was pretty much it. Now we’ve got a lot more to work with, so don't get overwhelmed. You don't have to do all of these things. In fact, you probably shouldn't do all of these things. This is just the big menu of options and I'm gonna show you now, how do we combine them in a way that works for you. So for example, this is Jaunty that I mentioned before. They're all about social skills. Helping people get promotions, get dates, all of that stuff. Be able to talk to people without anxiety, so what they offer is pre-recorded videos that lay the foundation, then you have community discussions, people are talking about challenges or when they went out and tried to use their new social skills, what happened. The big thing they offer is coaching, so it doesn't really help you to watch videos about social skills and never practice using your social skills, right? You can only get better at boxing when you're inside the ring and that's what they offer, so every single day, they have a 30-minute call where people show up and they talk to each other. They get feedback from the coach, they break out into small little breakout rooms. They try different techniques. There's a theme, there's a topic, there's getting rejected, or asking or telling a story, lots of stuff, and so for people, especially during COVID, this was huge because how do you get to go interact with a bunch of strangers all the time? It's really hard to do that, so people show up every day and they get a lot of practice and they get much better really fast. So it's really cool.

    This is the next example, Write your way to Freedom. So this is Sarah Turner who we talked about earlier. This is a much bigger program and it's also a lot more expensive. So she actually charges over $5,000 for this program. It's a very serious program and she's, um, very committed to her students' success, so there's a lot of things going on here. One is there's a very thorough pre-recorded course and I'm going to show you that. Really goes through laying the foundations because one thing about this model is you don't want to show up and repeat yourself over and over and over again. It's not a good use of your time. You want to think about leverage, so if she's teaching a bunch of newbies the basics of copywriting and then the basics of being a freelancer and then growing their business, they're all gonna have kind of the same questions and problems in the beginning, so it doesn't make sense for her to just explain the same thing every single week. So you put that into the pre-recorded content that people can go through on their own time but then show up to the live events to get specific feedback, talk about specific challenges and problems of them implementing it so that they can get over that step and onto the next one. She's got a bunch of community discussions. She's got places for job opportunities sharing their wins, networking with other people, and then coaching. So coaching is a big thing. She's actually hired multiple coaches, both to help with business challenges and to help with copywriting challenges, so two different skill sets. Different days of the week there's live coaching and then she does Q&A every single week. Um, and then there's a few other things here at the bottom, so letting people break out into smaller small groups based on demographics, or interests, or a lot of other things so that they can create more relationships, create accountability, all of that stuff, so people are really feeling a lot of commitment and identity as being a part of this community.

    Jordan Godbey: Alright, so we've talked about her quite a bit. I would love to give you guys an example and we'll actually go through her community here for a second, so this is her community. 

    I want to start by preferencing with a couple things. We built this community about six months ago, and so that was before the new updated Circle design V2, which we're going to be moving to soon, and it was before the Circle courses feature was live, so, um, that's why it looks like this. You might not have seen many of the courses or the communities on V1, but let me show you, this is how we were building courses back in the day. So for example, going into her community right away, you've got all of this pre-recorded content. So for example, if you're going to start a business, you need to pick a niche and she explains how do you do that, has some downloads, different niche ideas, all of that kind of stuff, so people can have conversations about these individual lessons, and then when they're ready for the coaching, which they should jump into right away, there's a couple different places that they do that. So here is the business coaching, or the work sessions, and you can see that there's a few different coaches. We've got Shelley, and we've got Ryan, that do a different sessions every single week. And then we've got copy coaching, which is going on also every single week with a couple different coaches, Carly and Kristen. And then we have live Q&A's, so she shows up every Wednesday, and it's cool because she actually was, she took three weeks off recently, and was traveling around Europe and North Africa, and she even just logged in here from Morocco to do her weekly Q&A call, so think about it when you've optimized your business that well, you don't even have to drop the ball and she enjoys doing it anyways. So here we've got the recording, she did this through Circle livestreams, and we've got all of the questions that people ask. The nice thing is if someone were to go to the search bar and search one of these questions this post is gonna come up, so someone joins today and they search, can a blog be edited, right? Or am I ready to post on Medium? They're already gonna get this answer, even though this was recorded a month before they joined, so it's really great use of Circle. We've got General discussions, opportunities for jobs, and this is an interesting spot. So once her community has over 1,400 members, and any group that gets that big starts to break off into subgroups and sub cliques, and before this, because this community is now four years old, she used to be on Facebook and Kajabi. And so on Facebook, she found that people were actually going off and starting their own sub-Facebook groups so that they could have a smaller place to talk, but then she lost all control of that because she doesn't have visibility into just someone else's rogue group, so it became really bad for the community and it just started to create fragmentation and stuff, so now we're able to bring all of that here into Circle. So for example, there's a bunch of people that live in their RVs and are full-time copywriters, so we can have a private secret area just for these 77 people that live in their RV, so they can talk all about RV stuff, and not bother anybody else, who maybe just wants to talk about copywriting, so it's a great way to be able to create even more stickiness and value inside your community just through this structure.

    Alright, and because it is such a big program, and people are really thinking about being in this for at least a year to multiple years, there's a lot of onboarding that is required in order to make sure somebody really gets the value out of it. So we just set all of this up because again the idea is you don't want to be repeating yourself. You want to give everyone a great experience, so this is, uh, an ideal way to do that.

    Jordan Godbey: Alright. I hope seeing that example was helpful because that is a very successful community that I think a lot of people would aspire to have. Let's talk about a couple myths. So the first one is CPCs are a lot more work than self-paced, simple delivery, simple content delivery, or old school courses Yes, because they are not the same thing. They’re apples and oranges. A lot of people built old school courses because they were considered passive income. All I have to do is record these courses one time, put it online, never think about it again, and money just rains in, and that's it. I don't have to talk to anyone, I don't have to help anyone answer questions, none of that stuff. That's why a lot of people did it. People did them as side hustles or that was just the type of business they wanted to have. CPCs are not passive. They're active. You’re putting in time, you're putting in work. In the internet marketing world, passive and active, you know passive income is super glorified, active income is not as sexy, but the reality is, it's almost impossible to generate a lot of passive income without first being really successful at creating active income. So CPCs do take time, but as you saw Sarah is running a multi-million dollar business and spending two hours a week inside her community, so it's definitely possible.

    I need to have a lot of members in my CPC for it to work. Not true. So Sarah has 1400 members. That's a lot of people, uh, my friend Jay Clouse. I just joined his community called The Lab. He's also a fellow Circle expert. He just capped his community at 200 members. He's not yet there, but he's close, and that is one of the highest engaging, highest-value communities that I have ever been a part of because Jay is able to spend so much more time and effort on every single person and make sure that they're really successful. So I've been blown away at being in Jay's Community. 200, you might think or say that that's also a lot, but it's definitely a lot smaller than 1400. You could take that same thing and have a community of 20 and you're really shepherding 20 people on a journey, on a process, getting to that final destination that they're going for, so you don't have to have hundreds and hundreds or thousands of members for it to work. And then the last thing, last minute, people aren't ready to pay more for community versus just the content. Okay. This one is an easy one. Content is just not very valuable anymore, right? Why would you want to pay a lot of money for something that is superabundant and free inside of Google, and YouTube, and tons of other places, right? We are swimming in information. We're just buried in information. But what we don't have is hands-on help. We don't have accountability, we don't have coaching, we don't have support, we don't have the ability to ask the actual expert that we're learning from. You can watch someone's YouTube videos all day, how are you gonna get help? So I think that people are much more willing now to spend money on community, and on connections, and on all of those other great things I just outlined, than they are for just content alone. And I think the proof is there like people are spending $5,000 with Sarah for her community and it would be hard to find many $5,000 video courses that are still selling and doing well. If you guys know of any really high-priced video courses, I would love to see them. Please send them my way.

    Jordan Godbey: Okay. We've been flying. I think we're at 40 minutes now, so it's gone a little bit over, but so the recap, what is the transformation you can help someone achieve? Get super clear on that. I think putting time around it is really helpful. 

    How much is that worth to them? Make your program more valuable by shortening the time to get the results, increasing the likelihood of success, and ideally both, and you don't have to build everything up front before you launch. CPCs are different. It's not the old-school model anymore. They are a living breathing entity. It's a community. It's like a garden. You're planting things, things are growing, you're plucking them, you're replacing them, you're experimenting, you're changing, you're learning what works, and you're learning what doesn't work. So it's not just one static thing, so you can get started now. In fact, you want to start as soon as possible and get feedback, so that you can improve it. Without the feedback, you just, you're shooting in the dark.

    Okay, that is it, so thank you very much for listening to me. I'm really interested in answering your questions. There's a couple ways I can continue to help you if you're interested. You can sign up on my website to get my newsletter where I talk about CPCs, and courses, and marketing, and all of that stuff. I'm also launching my own course on CPCs that I had mentioned earlier. I said that there was an ironic thing about it. Here's the ironic thing. I decided to offer two options. One is the actual CPC model where we go through the journey together. I show up and coach you on a weekly basis. I help you answer questions. We troubleshoot things and that's a six-month thing. But it's more expensive and that's the thing, is, uh, because it's an active model, they almost have to be more expensive because you're selling a lot of your time. So I do also offer a do-it-yourself version, an old-school course version, where you can just watch the videos because some people might be able to figure it out all on their own and they really don't need the extra time or help, so I've offered a really cheap version there. So don't, uh, crucify me if you see that I'm also selling an old-school course version. I do offer both, and it's a bit of an experiment, to be honest, to see how that goes. I wanted to make it as affordable for the most amount of people, so that's my approach right now. So yeah, anyways, that's my pitch, um, should we go into questions? 

    Mathilde Leo: Let's do it, Jordan. Thank you so much for this awesome workshop. Seriously, it's just the best introduction, the most in-depth introduction to CPCs that I've heard, so you're definitely the expert on the topic. Can I ask you to stop sharing your screen, and then we're gonna take some questions? We have about 10 minutes. 

    A quick, just a few guidelines on questions, a few of you have done this already, to ask a question raise your Zoom hand. Um, we're not gonna take questions from the chat today, but we will keep the chat and address any questions or any topics that we might not have time to cover, afterwards. Um, when you ask a question, do ask one question, not five or six, just one, so we make space for everyone, and yeah, keep it short and sweet, uh, not like what I'm doing here. So, um, alright, Katy, do you want to ask the first question? Go ahead.

    Audience: Yeah sure. Um, so I was wondering do CPCs work if you're not doing any live sessions, so can you communicate asynchronously with your students?

    Jordan Godbey: Yeah, good question. Can you give me, are you already doing this, or have you seen anyone else do it? Can you give me some more context? 

    Audience: No. My reason is that my community is mostly based in the UK, but I'm hoping to move to Canada in the next year, so I'm trying to create something that isn't time zone dependent until like, because I don't want to then have to try to find the time that is convenient for Canada and UK people if I start growing a network in Canada when I move there and stuff as well.

    Jordan Godbey: Yeah, so what I've seen is that the 12 o'clock, 11 to 12 o'clock time zone, in the North America tends to work really well for UK, as well, because I think it's about 6 or 7 PM, which is about what we're doing right now, so I've seen a lot of people continuing to do that without a problem because it's also after work in the UK, so for people that might have that constraint, it actually could be helpful. Um, but I haven't seen many CPCs that don't have a live component, to be honest. I'm not saying it doesn't work. You could use Loom and do a lot of asynchronous video back and forth and that could be an option, but it is one of the key components, that I have seen, has been the live element.

    Mathilde Leo: I agree, and that 12pm Eastern time is definitely the magic kind of like time that works for everyone in Europe. So Awesome, Sarah. Would you like to ask the next question? Go ahead.

    Audience: Hi. Uh, my question is when you have, because I asked it earlier in the chat, but I'm still stuck, uh, when you have multiple ideas, how, and you're uncertain which one to choose, what would be the right way to like weight them and choose the proper transformation, let's say?

    Jordan Godbey: So, are they three wildly different ideas? 

    Audience: There still, not wildly. They're still like for International students, but one mostly focuses on the study part and like focusing on like how to improve your grades here, uh, as a newcomer, one focuses on the lifestyle part where people usually struggle with like, um, how to say, getting used to the environment and like, uh, getting a job, and all of that, and, uh, the other part is helping students come, to go study abroad, so I don't know. 

    Jordan Godbey: Yeah, so what came to mind for me was actually moving up one level and having kind of an umbrella offer, and having all three of those things underneath because it sounds like your thing is about studying abroad, moving to another country, being successful in school and in the society, and all of that kind of stuff, so I would think that I would want to have all of those things. I wouldn't really want to have to pick or choose, so maybe you think about branding the program in that way where like for example, The Write Way to Freedom, they have to teach you the skills of copywriting, but then they have to teach you the skills of getting clients, and selling the clients, and receiving the money, and running the business. You can't just do one or the other or it's not successful, so sounds like for you it's a similar thing where you need to have multiple components, so, like hers is Write Your Way to Freedom. The freedom part is like the business and the success, but it's about the writing, so I would think for you, how do you create a dream aspiration of moving to another country and being, you know, creating a really successful life? 

    Audience: Right. Yeah, because I was having that thing, and, uh, that idea, and I thought I had to zone in a little bit more, but great. Thank you. That confirms that I was on the right track. Thanks a lot.

    Mathilde Leo: Awesome, uh, Robin over to you. What's your question for Jordan?

    Audience: Hi. Thanks, Mathilde. Thank you so much, Jordan. This was awesome. My question is I have a very engaged, um, community, audience, like my community right now resides in Facebook, um, I have the know, like, trust factor. I offer a lot of value. I offer support groups. They don't have, they don't seem to have…either they perceive they don't have the money or truly they don't have money, and they don't see the value in my time, and I don't know where to pivot to next.

    Jordan Godbey: Yeah, what are you trying to sell them? What's the price and what's the offer?

    Audience: I don’t even have a course, I don’t have a course yet, but I want to go down that route, but, um, I right now offer 90 minutes of my time. I have four different support groups I offer a week. I've been offering it for free for a year. I just started to, um, monetize it and all I'm charging is five dollars a person per meeting, and there was no backlash, but I saw that the attendance dropped a little bit and yeah, they just want the cheapest way to everything. The cheapest retreat. They want the cheapest, everything. 

    Jordan Godbey: So did you hear people saying $5 is too much?

    Audience: No, but I did ask, I did do a poll in my community, asking what they would pay for a monthly, um, community in Circle, and it ranged from $5 to $25 a month, and I'm like, are you kidding? So do I offer then a community with that value, like a $25 value a month, you know, and for some, they're not going to pay $25 a month, you know, because I had grandiose ideas on what to put in this community.

    Jordan Godbey: And what is the, what is the transformation you help them with?

    Audience: My whole business is around coming out late in life. These are women in their 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, and 70s who, uh, were living heterosexual lives, married to men, and suddenly woke up and realized that they're gay, and they need help navigating that transformation.

    Jordan Godbey: Wow.

    Audience: I facilitate a lot of stuff to help them do that.

    Jordan Godbey: Yeah. I'm saying that because it sounds like a very deep problem, or pain, or transformation, that is worth a lot of money to successfully navigate that. 

    Audience: Absolutely. I know. I know.

    Jordan Godbey: So I mean we could probably talk about this for like an hour 

    Audience: Do you have office hours?

    Jordan Godbey: Yeah, DM me after, and we can talk about this, but, um, pricing is a crazy art and a science combination. There's people like Sun Yi from the, um, Summit who charges five dollars a month for his community, uh, but he's got a ton of people in there. I don't see many people doing that, um, most people I see are going the high-ticket route, which is also what I prefer. So, uh, how many people do you have in your Facebook like a couple hundred or thousand or more? 

    Audience: 3000

    Jordan Godbey: Okay 3,000. So what if you served 30 of those women and they paid 1,000 bucks or more like is that something that you would be interested in?

    Audience: I could, you know, I wonder if I can find 30 people, you know.

    Jordan Godbey: Yeah, yeah, because that's the problem with Facebook, is that there just a lot of tire kickers, and it's a lot of free, and just people that will never pay, no matter what. That's why they're on a free platform like that, and maybe they just have a bunch of free time, and so that's why they're kind of doing that, so you want to look for the serious people, and I think part of it is clarifying what the offer is, and what the transformation is, and then saying, you know, I'm not gonna keep giving away my time for free. You all have seen what I do, you either want it or you don't, and I'm gonna spend my time with people that are really serious, and so I think there's ways to get there, but that's what I would suggest.

    Audience: Okay. Thank you. 

    Jordan Godbey: You're welcome.

    Mathilde Leo: Alright, there's so many great questions in here. We have a couple of minutes. Jordan, can you go over five minutes or so? Can we steal a bit more of your time? Is that okay? 

    Jordan Godbey: Yes. Yes. I’ve got more time.

    Mathilde Leo: Alright. Let's keep the question short and sweet, but, uh, I wish we could just stay. Maybe next time we’ll have to do just Q&A with you, and we'll probably do it, I think.

    Jordan Godbey: That would be great.

    Mathilde Leo: Michelle, would you like to ask the next question? Sorry, go ahead.

    Audience: Yes. Thank you. I'll be very quick. Going back to that site Write Your Way to Freedom. Uh, those interest groups, that was something I've been searching for, um, that because I want to do those smaller kind of growth groups. You call them interest groups, so how did they do that? Was that, were those separate spaces going back to her website so that people could have smaller cohort discussions? 

    Mathilde Leo: I don't know if Jordan is frozen or very still but while we’re figuring things out Michelle, so on Circle, and that's something we can explore and go through during office hours every Tuesday, you can have spaces that your members decide if they want to join or you can also have private spaces where only specific members are invited based in specific criteria, so what I've seen work really well is you know, like let's say there's this community called Fresh Exchange Gardening Community. What they've done is they have the spaces where general discussions are happening…

    Jordan Godbey: I’m back.

    Mathilde Leo: You're back, you're back. 

    Jordan Godbey: Yes.

    Audience: Okay, so Mathilde, the interest groups on that person’s site in Circle, those were spaces. I think that’s where I was going. 

    Mathilde Leo: That’s right.

    Audience: Okay,

    Mathilde Leo: That's right. That's right, and let’s definitely talk about this during Office Hours every Tuesday if you want to come in and just share…

    Audience: Yeah, I just wanted that, that's all, and because I can figure that out. I just didn't know what that was because I hadn't seen it.

    Mathilde Leo: Makes sense.

    Audience: I hadn't seen it on that large of a scale and I was like, that's exactly what I was looking to do, but I didn't know that that was just a space. 

    Mathilde Leo: Spaces are so flexible. That's awesome. Cool.

    Audience: Yeah.

    Jordan Godbey: Hey Mathilde. I don't know if you have a hard stop, but I'm happy to go like 15 or 20 more minutes if you guys want.

    Mathilde Leo: I don't, and that’s super generous of you, Jordan, so I mean, for those of you who might need to hop off, we’ll definitely post a replay afterwards, tomorrow, so you have a chance to go back into the Q&A, but if you can stay, that's great. 

    Jordan Godbey: Awesome.

    Mathilde Leo: Perfect. Thanks Jordan. That's awesome.Barts. Would you like to go next with your question? I know you're ready.

    Audience: So thank you so much. Is it possible from you for to share because I just build a community and just quickly wanted to show you. What what my question is. Do you see it? Yes. Yeah. Basically Jordan the question is this because the company I'm representing. It's kind of big they are very they want to protect their brand. It's a we are selling the robot for children and what I done here. Is I created these spaces here in the community. I'm saying that you know, our culture is that we are meeting every single week for 30 minutes. And the con that transformation is this we help India smoke the parents to become super apparents and like you know, so we are practicing parenting skills. And my question is this so we are meeting every single week for 30 minutes. 

    Jordan Godbey: I'm delivering them replays then and then if on live streams, I have some parent who will tell me some kind of good story regarding their parenting. I'll cut it and put it into member community members so that it's so that's basically they are showcased like they're contributing top contributing parents and the cool thing about this I think Is in these spaces, they cannot post they cannot comment and they cannot direct message each other. Because to come because the company is very much on, you know, sorry to interrupt but I love what you're sharing. I think it's inspiring for everyone. I just want to make sure that we get to the questions in here you go quick.

    So yeah. So the question is this, um, how can a brand Big Brand Global brand protect? Their brand from people who actually paid for a product, but then they can actually do some bad thing inside of the community like, you know direct message. That's why I switched off all the interactions in the main one and then when they showed me they've been on the live stream two times in a row, then I'll put them into top contributors group. Yeah, and it's do you think it's a good strategy?

    I'm just gonna take that one real quick. I think it's a great strategy and I think that something that you can definitely develop over time with your members kind of like rewarding the best behaviors also having a clear code of conduct disabling, you know specific actions. If you need to let's definitely have you come to office hours if you can on Tuesday, I don't mean to sound like a broken record. Nothing specific question about best practices around Community Building would be best to rest there if that's okay with you, but thanks for sharing your community looks awesome. And I think it's gonna be very inspiring for a lot of people building similar brand communities. So thanks for okay. Thank you.

    Mathilde Leo: Cool Jennifer over to you. What's your question? Let's keep it like short and sweets question and answer question and go very proud.

    Audience: Thank you so much. So I'm where I'm stuck at is I'm a business analyst right? So I am just it's two things. Either way. You're an organization. I can help you become more efficient or if you're starting off I can give you the foundations. I do have kind of like how I want the community, but I'm stuck as to how do I Show that to the public right? Like how does the business analyst? So to the public, I don't know if that's like the where I'm stuck is how to break it down how to break down what a business analyst does into a community where I can help you.

    You're the business analyst you're not trying to teach people to be business analysts. Well, I never thought about it that way just because I actually never thought about it. That way I thought it would I was thinking more of like how to help business owners become more efficient or if they're starting a business how to have like solid foundations that when they scale from small to big they don't have a lot of issues because what I'm noticing a lot of issues is people will start a business not have the basic foundation. So, you know when they have that blessing that they scale They're just all over the place. They don't have their books, right they don't have this and then they're spending a lot of money on like several softwares when you can really narrow it down to about two or three softwares, but I'm not sure.

    Jorda Godbey: Yeah, yeah, so it sounds like you're helping a new or a first-time business owner. Go from zero to one so create the business and go to a hundred thousand dollars or something like that and taking them through a predetermined path or journey, and you know all the problems that they're going to encounter. So I would position it around that you're helping people. Get there faster and with you know, avoiding the problems and headaches that they don't even know exist maybe so you would just be sharing a lot of education and case studies and things like that.

    Thank you so much and welcome. I hope that's helpful and feel free to DM. Me too. If you want to chat more about it. Oh, yeah, that'd be great. Thank you so much.

    : I just want to take people. Thank you. Okay, who is next?

    Jordan Godbey: Are you on mute, Matilda?

    Mathilde Leo: Oh, sorry. Is that how you pronounce your name? Over to you.

    Audience: Thank you. It was very nice, actually. Thank you. I was thinking when because I have a community and just starting up, how would you get around to put the community access to multiple courses? And would you recommend that way of doing it or which actually not recommend? I know this a little bit like Circle, but I'm thinking like cpcs. Is it more powerful actually than the community bias forces model? That was my thought. Are you asking you? So if I ask sorry Jordan really question you mean like is it better in terms of pricing in business model to have like access to a community that includes many courses like a membership versus selling course, is that right?

    Yes, I think that works really well. You know, in the old days people used to sell lots of small courses and you're asking people to make a lot of decisions and I think I think it works better to just have them make one decision which is to become a member, become a pro, become a premium. So yeah, however, you want to describe that become a part of our community which gives you unlimited access to all of these courses and then you're able to really stack the value because you can say this course was a hundred fifty dollars. This one was 300 in Combined total. It's a two thousand dollars worth of courses. Plus you're getting the community and you're getting coaching and this and that for only $100 a month or whatever your pricing and model is. I think that makes sense. And that like I'm sorry, that would be so that would be like really good like Niche courses. I'm also guessing more than anything else like particularly Niche areas.

    Yeah, because you're only making them take one decision and then you're showing them that you'll help them get all the way to the end and you'll give them all of the next steps. Yes. Yeah building as you go. Thanks so much.

    Oh my God. Thanks for staying longer because this was actually been burning in my brain. Thank you.

    Jordan: Yeah, I'm happy to do it. Love it. And Jeremy, would you like to go next? We have a couple more questions and then I just want to spend four minutes tops to tell you about next week. What's happening in the boot camp?

    Yeah, so hi. Hi. I came late. I look forward to seeing the first part. But Jordan you really opened my eyes. I think what you're trying to get across is and maybe you Circle is to CPC is not just the space in a core. It's a space that's a course. It's all of the types of spaces that we have put together sort of working together to do whatever it is you're trying to do. Is that because you didn't have courses back when you created yours. So you had a bunch of different spaces with different things, but that's kind of how we should design these not just have a list of courses or one course, which I'm doing a list of courses, but we should have space groups which are a topic and you sell a topic and it includes everything. Is that how I should be thinking about this when I work on mine?

    Yeah, I think so. So you're helping them master that topic and that includes a bunch of different ingredients. One is watching your courses. Another is Q&A. Right? Another is the Live Events. Another might be some accountability or sharing success stories. So you're giving another could be even a space of just curated content. That's not even necessarily your content could be YouTube and podcasts and articles where again it's all about shortening the time and giving them the fastest path. So thinking about structuring it that way.

    Yeah. Okay. Thank you. And thanks for going to South Germany because that's definitely something that we need to explain the better in our tutorials.Tom Ross: Spaces are building blocks, right? You can mix and match them. You can decide to start with the course and then enhance the course with a discussion space, with a chat space. But some people like to start with just very few spaces because they want to learn from their members or students and then add more and more activities, more touch points along the way. So that's a great question.

    Yeah, how's it going? I got a quick question for you. We already have an existing course and once our members take the course, that kind of brings them into a new level of pre-employment, let's call it. So it just makes them a better candidate for getting a job. Now the community, the entry to get into this community that we're creating now is through that course. And then within the community, we think we could plus them up with additional training and things like that, which make it very attractive, I think, to employers. My question is very simple. Do you have a good example or a model within your community where you have third-party people come in, big companies, big corporate companies that can have a presence, potentially be an admin to that account, to make sure that they post the most updated information relevant to their company, to try to attract our community members into their company? And then we become recruiters, right?

    Yes, you can definitely do that. So you could create different spaces based on maybe different categories of jobs or different qualifications or different companies if you wanted to. Or you could just have it all in one place, one space. And you could make those corporate partners moderators of this space so that they have the ability to post new jobs on their own.

    Jordan: Perfect. Is there an example that you could point me to, so I can see the visual? Is there someone who's doing something similar, just so I could get some ideas? Thank you.

    Yeah, I don't think it's publicly available. But I have one that I'm thinking of, that's a client. So if you DM me, I can show you. Thanks.

    I think we're gonna wrap up Q&A here. I hate to be the timekeeper. This is like the good cop, bad cop. This is a good cop. I'm just a bad cop here. I do want to share a couple of things before we say goodbye and thank you to Jordan. So let me share my screen real quick, but then we'll keep the chat and make sure we address any topics that you found interesting or that you want to dive deeper into in the boot camp spaces.

    What's next? Week two is next. The bootcamp continues next week on Monday. You just need to head to the boot camp space for the second video lesson that will be focused on how to set up your course space and how to basically create your curriculum. So we're gonna dive into specifically the new course space and how you can use it to build your course content and set up your curriculum inside it. And then week three and four would be more about community touchpoints and how you can enhance the experience with the community.

    We're here to support you. There are hundreds of people in this boot camp. So make sure that you ask your questions. You have tons of questions here, which are amazing. Make sure you ask them in the boot camp space, share your progress, and also enough, of course, share your progress as well because this is the best way that you can get support from Jordan, from experts, but also from peers, from people who might be on the same journey, right?

    Tuesday, we have office hours. So come with all your product Circle-related questions. We have a full hour every week dedicated to answering those live. Next Thursday, we're back with another workshop at the same time. And then on Friday, we'll also have a thread in the description space to really gather your questions around the course feature per se. 

    So if you have any lingering questions or things you're not sure how to do, we'll make sure that we answer those asynchronously as well as during office hours and anytime. Like I said, I'm just repeating myself at this stage.

    Share your progress, really use the resources in the boot camp space to build with other people, like Bart said, this has been meta. We are teaching you about community-powered courses by running one. So hopefully, that is something that you got and that you can get inspiration from.

    In case you're not in the boot camp space because you're new here, it's still time to join. We're only on week one. So the only thing you need to do, and this is animated here, you see, is just join the three boot camp spaces in the Circle Community. How it works: weekly lessons, share your progress, and then whenever you post in those spaces, the weekly lesson space, you'll receive an email as well. So you won't miss anything.

    Alright, so with that, let's all unmute and give some physical claps to Jordan for his awesome workshop. On the count of three, one, two, three. Thank you.


    Alright, let's take a moment to gather some information from all of you. How many of you already have a course or are building one from scratch? And how many of you have an active community right now? This will help us understand where you are in your journey so we can provide more tailored insights and strategies.

    Oops, yes. Okay, small one. Circle community.

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